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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: Hajj flights (Air India and Saudia) |
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Credit: By Special Arrangement/Vatche Mitilian
(Exclusive to airliners.india.net)
Pictures of Air India are end-November 2006
Pictre of Saudia was in early January 2007
MAHARASHTRA FISHERIES MINISTER ANEES AHMED FLAGGING OFF
THE FIRST DIRECT FLIGHT OF AIR INDIA
(a leased Air Atlanta Icelandic 747-300) FROM NAGPUR TO MECCA FOR THE HAJ.
And Saudi Arabian Airlines leased an Airbus A321-231 from Onurair for the Haj. Photo taken when it was adjacent to the Air India Haj flight. |
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HAWK21M Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Amazing Tarmac pictures.
Thanks for sharing.
regds
MEL _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! |
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AKLDELNonstop Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1066 Location: Auckland
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:11 am Post subject: |
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One question guys, for Haj flights do the pilots and crew have to be all Muslim because I believe non muslims cannot enter mecca? _________________ Geniuses are always misunderstood in their lifetimes. |
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the_380 Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2329 Location: Mumbai, India
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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AKLDELNonstop wrote: | One question guys, for Haj flights do the pilots and crew have to be all Muslim because I believe non muslims cannot enter mecca? |
No it goes like this:
The crew operate the flight from India to SHJ (IC) and then there is a change of crew. The new crew members operate SHJ-Jeddah-SHJ and then the crew again changes. No crew member is allowed to leave airport premises. _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld
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the_380 Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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A special team of Muslim religious leaders and Kashmir politicians at Srinagar airport to welcome the people going for Hajj. _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld
A Walt Disney and 20th Century Fox Audio Producer!!! |
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AKLDELNonstop Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1066 Location: Auckland
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: |
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the_380 wrote: |
No it goes like this:
The crew operate the flight from India to SHJ (IC) and then there is a change of crew. The new crew members operate SHJ-Jeddah-SHJ and then the crew again changes. No crew member is allowed to leave airport premises. |
Aah thanks for that. But that leads to another question, that is if the crew is not allowed to leave the plane then why is there a change of crew at Sharjah is it because of the flight operating time factor?
Or if the the crewis muslim then why are they not allowed to deboard?
Cheers _________________ Geniuses are always misunderstood in their lifetimes. |
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the_380 Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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AKLDELNonstop wrote: |
Aah thanks for that. But that leads to another question, that is if the crew is not allowed to leave the plane then why is there a change of crew at Sharjah is it because of the flight operating time factor?
Or if the the crewis muslim then why are they not allowed to deboard?
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Crew is changed because of maximum crew operating time limit...i dunno the exact term for that.
Another thing...there is a barrier in Jeddah/Mecca...both beyond which non-muslims are not allowed to cross. If found you can be shot on the spot. So even the indian crew can visit till that barrier. _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld
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AKLDELNonstop Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Another general question and hopefully I am not going OT, but does anyone know why exactly non muslims are not allowed into mecca? Just curious not trying to cause offence to anyone?
Also say someone did get in esp someone with a brown skin, how would they know whether a person is muslim or not?
Cheers _________________ Geniuses are always misunderstood in their lifetimes. |
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the_380 Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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AKLDELNonstop wrote: | but does anyone know why exactly non muslims are not allowed into mecca? Just curious not trying to cause offence to anyone?
Also say someone did get in esp someone with a brown skin, how would they know whether a person is muslim or not?
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No non muslims are allowed into Mecca inside the gates...as i mentioned. Else only crew members...u as a passenger will not be allowed to fly till Mecca just for fun
Regarding the second question...solution is passport... _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld
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xterra Member
Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 595 Location: DONT KNO
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: good pix |
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can some one please post pics of leased 747s or ne other a/c used in hadj flights...by a/i ? |
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justbala Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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the_380 wrote: | AKLDELNonstop wrote: | but does anyone know why exactly non muslims are not allowed into mecca? Just curious not trying to cause offence to anyone?
Also say someone did get in esp someone with a brown skin, how would they know whether a person is muslim or not?
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No non muslims are allowed into Mecca inside the gates...as i mentioned. Else only crew members...u as a passenger will not be allowed to fly till Mecca just for fun
Regarding the second question...solution is passport... |
Unfortunately just a passport wud not be sufficient was it doesnt hv an column for religion!!
To enter mecca, if u r a non-saudi citizen, u need to hv either an Umrah or a Hajj visa, w/o which entry would not be allowed to Mecca. If you are in KSA on a workpermit, u r issued an iqama in lieu of ur passport (which u surrender to ur sponsor). Muslims get a green coloured Iqama n rest get a brown coloured one. So its kinda easy to detect a non-muslim at the entry point to Mecca.
Also AFAIK the AI Hajj flights fly to Jeddah (the special haj terminal), where there are no issues with non-muslims entering the city. So i guess the religion of the crew is not a problem. Only SV Hajj flights frm India wud be landing in Madinah. However I am not sure of this info. |
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