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haha - what a let down - after the 9W F flight getting the highest rating, we now have an S2 Y flight with almost the lowest ratings!
Seriously though - what exactly is 9W doing? They seem like a "deer caught in the headlights" or similar.
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It's a low cost carrier with a pay-for-everything service.
What was he expecting? Biryani served on fine china. |
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His complaint seems to have more to do with the quality and attitude of the staff rather than paying for everything. In fact, he seemed fairly satisfied with the pre-ordered meal.
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I have read almost all of his previous TR. IMO he seems to have a fairly balanced view point. He was in praise for the CCU airport and in complete apathy for the way S2 treated him, which seems justified to me.
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| airindia787 wrote: | | His complaint seems to have more to do with the quality and attitude of the staff rather than paying for everything. In fact, he seemed fairly satisfied with the pre-ordered meal. |
Yeah, but he was comparing JetLite staff on a local run with Jet staff on BOM-LHR First Class and J Class runs.
You get what you pay for. |
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What a hypocrite.
He is the same "consultant" that Naresh referred to and just added to 9Ws downfall. He did the same thing with GF. His trip reports are biased on most occasions. It was his brilliant idea to do DEL - MXP and BOM - JNB in an adhoc fashion.
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| avbuff wrote: | | It was his brilliant idea to do DEL - MXP and BOM - JNB in an adhoc fashion |
Wow - if this is true, then it certainly shows the author in a different light! And I was not aware of lalaji referring to a "consultant" - when did that happen?
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| avbuff wrote: | What a hypocrite.
He is the same "consultant" that Naresh referred to and just added to 9Ws downfall. He did the same thing with GF. His trip reports are biased on most occasions. It was his brilliant idea to do DEL - MXP and BOM - JNB in an adhoc fashion.
OTOH, when that company came to EK, they were shown the door. |
Whats this about a consultant.....any details....
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| Nimish wrote: | | avbuff wrote: | | It was his brilliant idea to do DEL - MXP and BOM - JNB in an adhoc fashion |
Wow - if this is true, then it certainly shows the author in a different light! And I was not aware of lalaji referring to a "consultant" - when did that happen? |
Wrong choice of words, my bad.
The author in question is the same consultant 9W had hired in the recession period for various inputs in operational practices and suggest some value additions to the network.
Which is why the raving review of 9W F class whereas there were so many flaws in that journey and would easily score down in his own style of analysis. |
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Dear oh dear oh dear.
The more-loyal-than-the-Lala who was responsible for all those very entertaining, gushing songs of praise that sent the Fan Club into rapturous, wood-inducing squeals of pleasure has turned? Hahaha!
So either the "Jet's the best ever" pieces were paid adverts, or this latest one is revenge time. Or, as is most common, reality lies in the middle, and Jet went from up there to down nowhere at supersonic speed.
Either way, one more indication - not that most of us needed one - that this airline is a Failga in Failga clothing.
Oh JetZo.
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| jasepl wrote: | Dear oh dear oh dear.
The more-loyal-than-the-Lala who was responsible for all those very entertaining, gushing songs of praise that sent the Fan Club into rapturous, wood-inducing squeals of pleasure has turned? Hahaha!
So either the "Jet's the best ever" pieces were paid adverts, or this latest one is revenge time. Or, as is most common, reality lies in the middle, and Jet went from up there to down nowhere at supersonic speed.
Either way, one more indication - not that most of us needed one - that this airline is a Failga in Failga clothing.
Oh JetZo. |
interesting how you gave this one a through read, a CCU-MAA S2 flight and beautifully ignored YYZ-DEL-YYZ on a 333.
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Nothing interesting about it.
Poor, sloppy and infantile writing (especially from native speakers) I just can't deal with and won't bother with, regardless. So I didn't ignore it, but I started reading it and quickly stopped. So I don't even know if that kid said his mummy loved or hated Jet because I didn't get that far.
And really? That's the only thing you have to say about this most unfortunate turn of JetEvents? Picking on my "point and laugh" crap?
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| jasepl wrote: | Nothing interesting about it.
Poor, sloppy and infantile writing (especially from native speakers) I just can't deal with and won't bother with, regardless. So I didn't ignore it, but I started reading it and quickly stopped. So I don't even know if that kid said his mummy loved or hated Jet because I didn't get that far.
And really? That's the only thing you have to say about this most unfortunate turn of JetEvents? Picking on my "point and laugh" crap? |
the pics on that TR said quite a lot.
and, honestly, if all his good TRs are considered biased, i'd say no different for this one.
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Abrelosojos is one of India's biggest cheerleaders on A.net. Our government should give him an award.
His unabashed praise for anything and everything Indian borders on sycophancy sometimes. Even we Indians don't praise India so much.
Maybe he is just getting a lot of business from India.
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| The_Goat wrote: | Abrelosojos is one of India's biggest cheerleaders on A.net. Our government should give him an award.
His unabashed praise for anything and everything Indian borders on sycophancy sometimes. Even we Indians don't praise India so much.
Maybe he is just getting a lot of business from India. |
and looks like it just got a lot less all of a sudden!
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| me111993 wrote: | | jasepl wrote: | Nothing interesting about it.
Poor, sloppy and infantile writing (especially from native speakers) I just can't deal with and won't bother with, regardless. So I didn't ignore it, but I started reading it and quickly stopped. So I don't even know if that kid said his mummy loved or hated Jet because I didn't get that far.
And really? That's the only thing you have to say about this most unfortunate turn of JetEvents? Picking on my "point and laugh" crap? |
the pics on that TR said quite a lot.
and, honestly, if all his good TRs are considered biased, i'd say no different for this one. |
Wow. Still talking about the other report? Without reading it through, I suspect the kiddie said his mummy just loved Jet, that's why the all roads lead to that report approach?
And "if"? Nice!
That's quite a turnaround from supposedly being on first-name terms! If I remember correctly, the Fan Club was all "oh Adam said this" and "oh Adam praised Jet so much" wow wow wow. No hint of bias then, so long as it was all JetPraise. But the moment something negative comes up, then out comes the bias allegation.
How American of you 
| The_Goat wrote: | Abrelosojos is one of India's biggest cheerleaders on A.net. Our government should give him an award.
His unabashed praise for anything and everything Indian borders on sycophancy sometimes. Even we Indians don't praise India so much.
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Oh absolutely. I'm dead certain I've pointed out the more loyal than the king affliction multiple times in the past. All that oohing and aahing over anything desi... from Jet to AI to our roads to mithai... Most entertaining!
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| Quote: | | That's quite a turnaround from supposedly being on first-name terms! If I remember correctly, the Fan Club was all "oh Adam said this" and "oh Adam praised Jet so much" wow wow wow. No hint of bias then, so long as it was all JetPraise. But the moment something negative comes up, then out comes the bias allegation. |
having the most "in your face" double standards, is something i've learnt from you! I read it, day in and day out. 
Regardless of whatever, as Jaysit stated above, there's no way i'm drawing a comparison between F class on a 77W to LHR, and Y class on MAA-CCU on an S2 737.
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and looks like it just got a lot less all of a sudden! |
and he wrote this line in the TR
If Naresh is smart, he would hire some consultants to do a complete strategic review – irrespective of where/how things end up with EY.
hehe, Allah ke naam pe kuch ......
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| me111993 wrote: | | Regardless of whatever, as Jaysit stated above, there's no way i'm drawing a comparison between F class on a 77W to LHR, and Y class on MAA-CCU on an S2 737. |
Of course not. And no one expected it, because it's the JetWay : to pretend everything's wonderful and everything about the airline is the best thing to have happened to humankind since Rosenthal.
That said, I agree that the Jet Airways First and the JetZophrenia domestic experiences are not like-to-like compare. But that's not true in all aspects. The many shared services and common facilities that have JetFailed yet again speak volumes about the magnitude of the drop.
In this report, the majority of the criticism was about the technological backwardness, staff behaviour, untrained and disinterested crew and the general identity crisis that is now pervasive. Those things have little to nothing to do with class of travel or sector or operating entity.
Jet may have had some of the best hardware (they effed that up too), but their soft product is now near hopeless. Their greatest JetFails are on the people front: JetMismanagement, JetChildren and JetLala and JetLali.
They're determined to make the worst of a bad situation.
| The_Goat wrote: | | and looks like it just got a lot less all of a sudden! |
and he wrote this line in the TR
If Naresh is smart, he would hire some consultants to do a complete strategic review – irrespective of where/how things end up with EY.[/quote]
Hahah! More first-name BFFness... Love it!
Where did you find that? I wonder what I had to say about it back then?
Today, may I present something a bit JetZophrenic, to keep with the times.
Je l'appelle "The FanClubs Dilemma":
When she first took to the skies, who knew she had a JetChance?
But soon it was clear she could really dance the dance
Oh my wow what an airline
She'll soon take over the whole world's blue skies
All her stars are shining bright
I love you Jet Air.
I love you Jet Air.
Each time I flew her I couldn't wait to fly her again
I dreamt of her nightly, fantasy after fantasy again
This is my real feeling true:
Jet Airways I'm in love with you.
You are my sexy baby boo.
I love you Jet Air.
I love you Jet Air.
She flew me in a way that I've never been flown before
She flew me in a way that I wanted to fly her forever more
I knew she was amazing so I gave her all the love that I had
She was the best of the best…. better than anything I'd had
A sure sign that I had it bad :
I wanted to take her home to meet my mum and my dad!
I really wanted her to be my bride
I promised her I'll always stand by her side
I felt so happy, I almost cried…
But then she JetFailed.
She failed in a way that no airline's failed before
She failed in a way that she'll be a failure forever more
And then she JetFailed
Oh how she JetFailed
Oh what a JetFail
Fibga JetFail!
And then she….
And then she….
And then she….
… JetFailed!
Oh what a JetFail
Fibga JetFail!
Fail fail JetFail!
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Not that its going to make much of a difference, but how is CCU-MAA a long haul while a slightly longer CCU-BOM is short haul? Strange.
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| jasepl wrote: | | disinterested crew |
I'm sure that was a typographical error (which too, are quite rare in your posts, unlike Yours Truly), since `disinterested' means `unbiased', whereas `uninterested' would be more apt here. Not to go in for hair-splitting, but even a typo in your posts looks odd!
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| sumantra wrote: | | jasepl wrote: | | disinterested crew |
I'm sure that was a typographical error (which too, are quite rare in your posts, unlike Yours Truly), since `disinterested' means `unbiased', whereas `uninterested' would be more apt here. Not to go in for hair-splitting, but even a typo in your posts looks odd!
Cheers, Sumantra. |
Whoops... You're right. My excitement at yet another opportunity to poke fun at Jet got the better of me! It never gets old you know
And though use of that word wasn't my intention, it actually fits too. Because we know the JetChildren are not biased : First or economy, long-haul or regional, JetPremium or JetKonnect, they treat everyone like JetCrap
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...and please pardon the wrong usage in my post, above. I meant to type `unlike those of Yours Turly', but I see I had typed in `unlike Yours Truly'. Trust me to rush in, where angels fear to tread.
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| avbuff wrote: | What a hypocrite.
He is the same "consultant" that Naresh referred to and just added to 9Ws downfall. He did the same thing with GF. His trip reports are biased on most occasions. It was his brilliant idea to do DEL - MXP and BOM - JNB in an adhoc fashion.
OTOH, when that company came to EK, they were shown the door. |
= This post was flagged to me by several of my friends in India as I was visiting. I am not part of this forum, but felt compelled to write back. Usually, I tend to ignore these things. However, I have a lot of respect for my Indian friends and colleagues and felt it absolutely needed to clear up my name.
Firstly, and most importantly, I am deeply disappointed that someone whom I don't know needs to make up stuff. I feel like I have contributed to the knowledge of Indian aviation to the outside world by tracking the industry from an outside perspective for a while. While I know the culture well enough to understand sensationalism, I still have to clear my name.
As all my reports on A.Net state, I don't write reports on flights/airlines I work for/with. I actually make it a huge point never to write a report on a flight or for a client. This is fundamental to what I do. And, after 149 reports, I would think people would give me credit.
I know Jet Airways management well. However, I have NEVER worked for them. In fact, I have shared this with their Raj S and others to amuse at.
I would encourage AvBuff to state what he thinks my name is, and which company I represent. I don't know the intent behind the mudslinging, but it is clearly not true.
I hope my regular readers would appreciate my post (and joining this forum.) I don't want to make this a back/forth, but I welcome and challenge AvBuff for more.
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| abrelosojos wrote: | | I hope my regular readers would appreciate my post (and joining this forum.) I don't want to make this a back/forth, but I welcome and challenge AvBuff for more. |
Hi Alex - welcome to AI.net - and I hope we can resolve any misunderstanding, and get to the truth.
| abrelosojos wrote: | | flagged to me by several of my friends in India |
I'm quite happy that to hear that we have a significant number of aviators follow this forum 
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| Nimish wrote: | | abrelosojos wrote: | | I hope my regular readers would appreciate my post (and joining this forum.) I don't want to make this a back/forth, but I welcome and challenge AvBuff for more. |
Hi Alex - welcome to AI.net - and I hope we can resolve any misunderstanding, and get to the truth.
| abrelosojos wrote: | | flagged to me by several of my friends in India |
I'm quite happy that to hear that we have a significant number of aviators follow this forum |
= Absolutely. I got this thread forwarded to me by people at Air India, Jet Airways, IndiGo, and SpiceJet. Most senior management follow it, and that's why they were so amused that someone would paint such lies.
Thanks for giving me a platform to clear things up.
BTW, my new TR on MAA-BKK on UU is up .
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| abrelosojos wrote: | | avbuff wrote: | What a hypocrite.
He is the same "consultant" that Naresh referred to and just added to 9Ws downfall. He did the same thing with GF. His trip reports are biased on most occasions. It was his brilliant idea to do DEL - MXP and BOM - JNB in an adhoc fashion.
OTOH, when that company came to EK, they were shown the door. |
= This post was flagged to me by several of my friends in India as I was visiting. I am not part of this forum, but felt compelled to write back. Usually, I tend to ignore these things. However, I have a lot of respect for my Indian friends and colleagues and felt it absolutely needed to clear up my name.
Firstly, and most importantly, I am deeply disappointed that someone whom I don't know needs to make up stuff. I feel like I have contributed to the knowledge of Indian aviation to the outside world by tracking the industry from an outside perspective for a while. While I know the culture well enough to understand sensationalism, I still have to clear my name.
As all my reports on A.Net state, I don't write reports on flights/airlines I work for/with. I actually make it a huge point never to write a report on a flight or for a client. This is fundamental to what I do. And, after 149 reports, I would think people would give me credit.
I know Jet Airways management well. However, I have NEVER worked for them. In fact, I have shared this with their Raj S and others to amuse at.
I would encourage AvBuff to state what he thinks my name is, and which company I represent. I don't know the intent behind the mudslinging, but it is clearly not true.
I hope my regular readers would appreciate my post (and joining this forum.) I don't want to make this a back/forth, but I welcome and challenge AvBuff for more.
Warm regards,
Alex |
I knew you could never ignore it.
Unfortunately it took a lot of time to figure out a lot of your TRs are biased and your "prompt" rebuttal here just attested the fact on the same. I'm not wasting much of your precious time going to and fro about it.
To summarise there are quite a few TRs, where supposedly there is a lot of inconsistency in facts and your 9W F class TR by your own standards was brazenly biased. And even you know very well a lot of people on A.net believe the same as well, it's not me.
I really enjoyed your TRs for quite sometime, till I figured out they were biased and I was extremely disappointed. To an extent I used your TRs as a reference for my own travel.
Those TRs are biased and your tag line in the end "opinions are bias free" does not help.
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I have no horse in this race. But I'm clearly evil as has been pointed out so often, so I can't help wonder how many of these "friends" were from the newly dilemma-ridden Fan Club?
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