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Vistara Inaugural Flight A320 UK 890 9 January 2015 Economy

 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:07 pm    Post subject: Vistara Inaugural Flight A320 UK 890 9 January 2015 Economy Reply with quote

Folks, I wanted to write a detailed TR about my Vistara Experience, and hence I took some time to write one. Here is the report for your feedback. I covered as many details over the 3 cabins as I could manage

http://livefromalounge.boardingarea.com/2015/01/10/review-uk-890-delhimumbai-vistara-economy/

I await your feedback, please do post interesting comments on the blog as well.

Thanks for reading.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ajay, thank you for more information about an even most avgeeks in India have been eager to find out about. We saw some pictures from spotters, some inside pictures from Devesh-ji's website with his son taking the inaugural, and sending us some nice pictures, and some assortment of meal pictures, and the service, on the social media (which for once, I followed with some rigour), from excited travellers wanting to find out what it would be about. Here is my usual styled reply, with comments, and questions.
- How costly was the re-booking? I forget the myriad details: did you get a status upgrade based on your other alliances?
- The SG signage at IGIA T3: this has been there for quite a while now at the domestic end. Was SG really scheduled to move from T1-C/D to T3? Is this still on the cards?
- Vistara to have its own lounge: hmm...will this be a sustainable strategy?
- The box meal option is fine for a quick turn-around, but not too nice from an environmental point of view.
- Ice-cream: Hmm...AI has constantly desisted from serving ice-cream, concentrating on Indian desserts, continental non-frozen ones, and fusion ones. Mother Dairy ice creams true, are delicious, and are priced attractively, with respect to the competition.
- The only point you seem to have missed out on, is the lack of IFE. What about power-ports: are they there in J, Y+ or...even in Y?
- The overall experience looks superb! A great start for the airline.

Thanks once again for sharing this review with us, Ajay!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ajay, thank you for more information about an even most avgeeks in India have been eager to find out about. We saw some pictures from spotters, some inside pictures from Devesh-ji's website with his son taking the inaugural, and sending us some nice pictures, and some assortment of meal pictures, and the service, on the social media (which for once, I followed with some rigour), from excited travellers wanting to find out what it would be about. Here is my usual styled reply, with comments, and questions.
- How costly was the re-booking? I forget the myriad details: did you get a status upgrade based on your other alliances?
- The SG signage at IGIA T3: this has been there for quite a while now at the domestic end. Was SG really scheduled to move from T1-C/D to T3? Is this still on the cards?
- Vistara to have its own lounge: hmm...will this be a sustainable strategy?
- The box meal option is fine for a quick turn-around, but not too nice from an environmental point of view.
- Ice-cream: Hmm...AI has constantly desisted from serving ice-cream, concentrating on Indian desserts, continental non-frozen ones, and fusion ones. Mother Dairy ice creams true, are delicious, and are priced attractively, with respect to the competition.
- The only point you seem to have missed out on, is the lack of IFE. What about power-ports: are they there in J, Y+ or...even in Y?
- The overall experience looks superb! A great start for the airline.

Thanks once again for sharing this review with us, Ajay!
Cheers, Sumantra.


Thanks for your queries Sumantra... here are the details you ask for:

-Rebooking costed me INR 1575 + goibibo charges, still I save INR 3000 or so as compared to my initial ticket price. no status upgrades.
-i have no clue about the Spicejet move. All I know is that they were scheduled to operate from Aisle A which is now with Vistara. I suspect the intl ops worked from there?
-with Delhi as its hub, they should have enough traffic for a lounge. Plus, adds to the differentiation they intend to offer to customers. Jet has never wanted to invest in a lounge in Mumbai stating space constraints, but they could have had one long ago on T1 if they wanted.
-i have to admit I did not think of the environmental aspect on the meal boxes. Got to investigate more on that.
- IFE is not there and I don't think will be there for a year ahead at least. On most routes, the meal service should be the IFE for a while since the service will be slow!
- No powerports for sure in Y,Y+ or J.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the very quick reply, Ajay! And of course, the answer to my irritating inquisitiveness.
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i have no clue about the Spicejet move. All I know is that they were scheduled to operate from Aisle A which is now with Vistara. I suspect the intl ops worked from there?
International passengers have a passport check, and they enter from the international gates (though the terminal building is the same, and it is all connected. I have not seen international airlines check-in from places that far away from the international check-in area. SpiceJet's signage is on the domestic entry points, which was surprising to me. I will try to find out more: I should be ashamed to ask this question actually, since DEL is my home airport. This should not be that difficult a question to answer for me, since I have often taken flights close to SG's international operations.
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with Delhi as its hub, they should have enough traffic for a lounge. Plus, adds to the differentiation they intend to offer to customers. Jet has never wanted to invest in a lounge in Mumbai stating space constraints, but they could have had one long ago on T1 if they wanted.
Ajay, I do not think the cost of maintaining a separate lounge for such a small volume of passengers from day 1, warrants a separate lounge, but it could be just me. Jet is a completely different case. Jet has BOM as its base, and has the largest presence at BOM.
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- IFE is not there and I don't think will be there for a year ahead at least. On most routes, the meal service should be the IFE for a while since the service will be slow!
- No powerports for sure in Y,Y+ or J.

Now, they would possibly have wireless programmes for viewing on smart phones and laptops, in the future. Having power-ports would help, but they could also have a Southwest-like model, with charging ports all around dedicated gates (but in India, they would not have dedicated gates). IFE installations take up space and weight, so that may be a smart move, after all.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent TR, was curious to know what Vistara on offer.

Here's wishing them all the best!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No IFE - not too much of an issue given the shorter flights. No power points in 2015 - odd IMO - even odder if they decide to launch WiFi based IFE in the future.

Thanks for the detailed TR - sounds enticing, but hopefully they manage to maintain the smiles for the days/ years to come!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No power points in 2015 - odd IMO - even odder if they decide to launch WiFi based IFE in the future.
WiFi-based IFE may need some modifications to the planes (typical bulbous attachments on top of the fuselage, much like those on the Kingfisher A321s, which had live TV). Second, the SouthWest model has power-ports near the gates, but none on the aircraft itself. SouthWest has quite some business traffic in the US. I am not sure if this is indicative in any way, but just my tuppence, Nimish.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting the first TR on UK. I flew UK 228 to Mumbai in the evening. I wanted to fly on the inaugural flight but at the time of booking the fare was around 15K.

My experience on both ground and air was great. I loved the personal attention which was given while serving the meals - Addressing passengers by their names and giving details about the meals before serving.
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My experience on both ground and air was great. I loved the personal attention which was given while serving the meals - Addressing passengers by their names and giving details about the meals before serving.
Himmat Sir, that was just the starter for us. How about giving more details in a trip report? We look forward to it! vistAr(a) se, as they say in the chaste vernacular of the region Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Interesting TR...the 1st on the Airline I've read.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting the detailed TR on the inaugural flight. Vistara seems to have got most of the things right except for the now IFE/power ports. It will be interesting to see how receptive the Indian flyer will be for premium economy.

The food presentation even though in a box looked quite attractive and I think it is innovative as well. Hope Vistara continues to maintain the standards and raise the bar for the industry overall.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ajay for the TR. Enjoyed the detailed review.

The website does look rudimentary. The signage at Delhi airport, looks like the French flag – 9W Blue, UK white and SG red

The check-in staff was from AI or UK staff is wearing AI style Orange jackets ? and if they are AI, I hope it wont hurt to do a good namaskar when they do check in for AI too !

The only way to board by row number in India is probably what UK has done – have separate rows and if you are found in the wrong row, make them go at the back of the relevant row
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The check-in staff was from AI or UK staff is wearing AI style Orange jackets?
I had the impression that AI had outsourced its check-in staff to DIAL, perhaps (or have I completely lost it?), and these ladies come from the same stock. AI have supervisors around there sub-contracted staff.
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ameya wrote:
The check-in staff was from AI or UK staff is wearing AI style Orange jackets?
I had the impression that AI had outsourced its check-in staff to DIAL, perhaps (or have I completely lost it?), and these ladies come from the same stock. AI have supervisors around there sub-contracted staff.
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AI does their own check in . . I am sure on that
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AI does their own check in . . I am sure on that
While that certainly makes sense at their own primary hub, AI have a brand image problem then, and that too at their primary hub: why have the ladies in the orange jackets and grey skirts/black trousers as check-in and gate agents, and the lady supervisors, in the Ritu Beri designed (ugly) saris? Even the ground staff ladies at the AI city office in Delhi (Safdarjung airport) are all in the standard Ritu Beri saris. There is no brand confusion at any other airport, from what I have seen. Thanks for the information, I did not know this. Can you tell us more about this?
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ameya wrote:
AI does their own check in . . I am sure on that
While that certainly makes sense at their own primary hub, AI have a brand image problem then, and that too at their primary hub: why have the ladies in the orange jackets and grey skirts/black trousers as check-in and gate agents, and the lady supervisors, in the Ritu Beri designed (ugly) saris? Even the ground staff ladies at the AI city office in Delhi (Safdarjung airport) are all in the standard Ritu Beri saris. There is no brand confusion at any other airport, from what I have seen. Thanks for the information, I did not know this. Can you tell us more about this?
Cheers, Sumantra.


I remember this clearly because in 2013, when I had a morning 0500 DEL PNQ and there was a last minute eqpt change, the same lady who was at the check in desk, had entered the aircraft to sort out the issue since the cabin crew refused to do so, saying commercial team will resolve this problem.
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Amazing TR Ajay, and congratulations on being on the first flight with the 'New Feeling!'

Thanks so much for sharing this with us so promptly. I was following your twitter feed extensively, and was getting anxious when I learnt that a runway change was underway!

Overall looks like a pretty decent experience to me, but the lack of power ports, etc seem a bit strange to me in this day and age. If UK were to refurbish their new A320s to have PTV screens...well, that's a huge cost right there!

Hmm, prawn as a non-veg option on board. I find this interesting. Never have I seen a seafood option (let alone sea food only option!) in the Indian skies. The meal boxes didn't look as bad as I thought, its a good move! But as Sumantra sir said, the environment is kinda messed up then... Rolling Eyes

Lovely crew really nice of them to address all passengers with their names. And lovely to see the Iran Air B747SP! Razz

Simply awesome, and I cannot agree more: a smiling crew = amazing flight, no matter how new the plane is or how good the meal is. Or how extensive the IFE collection is!

I read the second TR too, and well on the second day of operations, that doesn't look good Sad I also read a tweet somewhere that they ran out of vegetarian options onboard, so either chicken or no meal! Sad

I really hope UK get over these really soon and I wish them all the very best in their endeavors!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AI and UK both have AI-SATS managing ground services for them.
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ameya wrote:
I remember this clearly because in 2013, when I had a morning 0500 DEL PNQ and there was a last minute eqpt change, the same lady who was at the check in desk, had entered the aircraft to sort out the issue since the cabin crew refused to do so, saying commercial team will resolve this problem.

A2A wrote:
AI and UK both have AI-SATS managing ground services for them.

Ameya Sir, we do remember that business class mix-up, on the way back from the memorable Russia visit with Mrs. Joshi, on this you posted your lovely account, and pictures!
I also confirmed this from my sources: it is indeed AI-SATS, a 50:50 JV between AI and SATS. This was possibly a good move to hive off businesses, to give AI a leaner and meaner structure. However, it is a bit of a brand confusion at AI's main hub. Both AI and Vistara, with their respective commonality with AI-SATS, would naturally go in for AI-SATS at Delhi. Taj-SATS on the other hand, `caters to' (literally!) a wide range of airlines, depending on their menus and recipes. They usually do a grand job of the famed AI recipes, and menus!
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sumantra wrote:
ameya wrote:
I remember this clearly because in 2013, when I had a morning 0500 DEL PNQ and there was a last minute eqpt change, the same lady who was at the check in desk, had entered the aircraft to sort out the issue since the cabin crew refused to do so, saying commercial team will resolve this problem.

A2A wrote:
AI and UK both have AI-SATS managing ground services for them.

Ameya Sir, we do remember that business class mix-up, on the way back from the memorable Russia visit with Mrs. Joshi, on this you posted your lovely account, and pictures!
I also confirmed this from my sources: it is indeed AI-SATS, a 50:50 JV between AI and SATS. This was possibly a good move to hive off businesses, to give AI a leaner and meaner structure. However, it is a bit of a brand confusion at AI's main hub. Both AI and Vistara, with their respective commonality with AI-SATS, would naturally go in for AI-SATS at Delhi. Taj-SATS on the other hand, `caters to' (literally!) a wide range of airlines, depending on their menus and recipes. They usually do a grand job of the famed AI recipes, and menus!
Cheers, Sumantra.


Yep and in this case, it wont hurt if namaskar is done to AI guests too and not just vistara. Soon there are going to be allegations of how AI staff working for Vistara is performing better than AI working for AI.

Something similar had happened during KFA days too
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Yep and in this case, it wont hurt if namaskar is done to AI guests too and not just vistara. Soon there are going to be allegations of how AI staff working for Vistara is performing better than AI working for AI.
He he...Ameya Sir, let me assure you that some of them are quite nice as well. On my travels with AI out of DEL, I have begun to recognise a few familiar faces, and they smile back, and give me a pleasant check-in experience, in turn.
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Something similar had happened during KFA days too
Do tell us about that, Sir: I've been checked in at DEL by Kingfisher check-in agents: gentlemen in the black suits with the Kingfisher ties, and ladies in the red jacket and trousers. I do not seem to remember an outsourcing, unless the Kingfisher dress code was maintained.
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Lucky man ... inaugural Cool
Thanks for the great TR. On time, friendly, good food = the essentials.
Good luck Vistara, like you said this was the first flight (therefore the level of service was expected) ..... hope they keep it up.

- I don't think the boxes are necessarily environmentally unfriendly. If they recycle it's no big deal.
- We knew about the lack of IFE (also thanks to your previous info Ajay among other sources) and it's not the biggest deal IMO.
- power ports ..... hmmmm would have liked those. I dont necessarily use them but its a nice option to have and couldn't have cost much. I wouldnt expect it on AirAsia but would if I were flying Vistara. Again not a big deal at all but nice to have.
- nice choice of meals in Y. We all love the AI butter chicken and black daal but I would prefer the variety and a changing menu.
- the crew bending down every single time to address the pax .... yup it kills them. Hopefully just an inaugural touch for Y pax.
- greeting by name and explaining the meal choice is really nice, better than veg or non veg.
- Weird to have AI ground staff at check in. Eventually they would need their own staff to have quality control.
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stealthpilot:
Environmental un-friendliness with paper: just check the amount of paper wasted with most of the MNC fast food/quick bites outlets. An unnecessarily huge amount of paper simply goes down the drain (almost literally). Most big corporations would push on the re-cyclability aspect for paper, and shove it down our throats: but look at the ground reality. How much is actually re-cycled? Second, what is the cost of re-cycling? Both to the environment, as well as doing an energy audit on this? Most re-cycling programmes are energy-intensive, and in many places, the actual electricity can be traced back to a fossil fuel-based energy source (look at Delhi's prime power source!). It is far more time-consuming to have the heavier but re-usable metal/china utensils, which with a good wash, pollute our water bodies far less. But this leads to more weight, and more time spent in the entire process.
Plastics were said to be the in-thing in the late 1970s, as we were told that it is perhaps the best re-cyclable material, being light and strong, as well. It would prevent the cutting down of so many trees, and forests! And look at where we are, today.
This is always a sticky issue, to which there are often no clear answers.

Food: While seafood (a slightly cliched term) may sound exciting to a Konkani, a Bong, a Mallu, or a person from India's vast coastal regions, it does not have a large appeal in general. No, not just because of possible allergies: the Halal implications are also to be considered. Air India for instance, certifies the meat-based products as Halal. Chicken is almost always a much safer option, from a health point of view as well, since doctors prescribe red meat to be avoided, in many cases. I admire how Air India sticks to the safe side, while at the same time, having more exotic options which can be pre-ordered on a booking (yes, I have seen this even on a domestic flight, post *A entry). On its longer International flights, I have always seen a `third' regional option always loaded (fish/seafood on the North American and European legs, done in a Continental style), or Japanese and Korean-styled dishes (fish and mutton, respectively) on the NRT and ICN/HKG legs. This is possibly one of Air India's most wonderful legacies from the JRD era, which thankfully they have firmly in place.
And the food is quite `authentic', and great - in general, thanks to the execution, and Air India's recipes.

Cheers, Sumantra.
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Solid report with great pictures. That J class seat looks great, though I still maintain that a cabin with solely Y+ and Y (with the former perhaps being 2-2 or such) will be a winner in the Indian skies.

J, Y+ and Y seems one too many for the typically 1-2hr flights here in India. It's like having a laptop, tablet and smartphone together when you can do with two devices at the most.
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